The Duke of York appeared cheerful when . We will automatically post your comment and a link to the news story to your Facebook timeline at the same time it is posted on MailOnline. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged in, Please refresh your browser to be logged in, Isabel Oakeshott terminates interview after clashing with presenter over Hancock leak. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Rorrer liked trading and training horses, Myers said, because she didn't have to put her 1-year-old daughter in day care. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Katrinak, Andrew J.Andrew Joseph Katrinak, 88, of Bethlehem, died on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at Blough Healthcare Center in Bethlehem. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Weak wages. Check Background Get Contact Info This Is Me - Edit Reputation & Background Hege said Rorrer's baby is with her mother, Patricia Chambers of Lexington. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? Rorrer called Myers collect from the jail Tuesday afternoon. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). An infant was lying face down on her stomach. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Youre absolutely right!! Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). I hope she rots in hell. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Well ask you to confirm this for your first post to Facebook. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. 6 people named Andrew Katrinak found in Colorado, Pennsylvania and 3 other states. Jealousy was the motive. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? Then you claim this is an opinion. I dont think so. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. What evidence is there she actually left the state? They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Ballistics experts determined that a bullet removed from Joann Katrinak's body was fired from a .22-caliber pistol similar to one Rorrer owned. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. He was born in Bethlehem son of the late Martin. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Do you want to automatically post your MailOnline comments to your Facebook Timeline? and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Sad discovery. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Media galore. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). I would have liked better her being put to death! What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. Hoist by your own petard. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? Both were deceased. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. How is it that these women are paroled? From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Play it now! . Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. In recent weeks, the King has reportedly asked all members of the royal family to tighten their belts and to expect less money from the Duchy now owned by Charles than in the past. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Her mother was married to my uncle. Police obtained samples of her blood and hair, and a microscopic examination revealed similarities to hair found at the crime scene. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. American mom living in Paris mesmerizes internet after revealing the VERY surprising after-school snack kids eat in France. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. (Lehighvalleylive.com file photo). Search is on. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. Arkansas (1) Colorado (4) Connecticut (1) Pennsylvania (2) Virginia (2) Refine Your Search Results. You people are fighting a losing cause! According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! The district attorney's office dismissed as offensiveNeely's implications on the evidence, according to the newspaper's report. Nope. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Facebook gives people the power. Patricia is a evil monster. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. And I have absolutely no sympathy. This is the most ridiculous take ever! Red-faced and crying, the tall woman wore an orange-and-white prison jumpsuit, flip-flops and ankle chains. It was Patricias hair no question. ANDREW KATRINAK OBITUARY KATRINAK Andrew G. Katrinak of Little Rock, Ark., beloved husband of the late Josephine Gawlowicz Katrinak, died peacefully at his home on Sunday, October 31,. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. Martin Domin Editor, Mirror Fighting. ``People who work with horses, they love 'em, rub 'em, pet 'em, and at the same time they can be firm with 'em, jerk their bits if they need to,' Hege said. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) The first rule of a murder is motive. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. You can cancel at any time. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. ``She sat me down and told me I would probably hear about it,' Myers recalled. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. Beautifully said Cliff! Still, no good leads materialized. Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group, 'I felt different to the rest of my family - and my mum felt the same': Prince Harry opens up on his 'broken home' upbringing saying parents rowing in front of children 'is not a good idea' - but FAILS to mention William once in 90min toxic trauma chat, DONALD J TRUMP: The world has finally woken to the truth about the Wuhan virus. Have you read the book? Police believe Rorrer abducted and killed her ex-boyfriend's wife and infant son in Pennsylvania. All rights reserved (About Us). At 4 a.m. Wednesday morning, several dozen of Rorrer's relatives and friends surrounded the courthouse, said Capt. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. Not gender neutral. Other family members and associates include Paige Keenan . Andrew Katrinak. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. WoW! There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. The evidence was all there. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. Deal refused. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Justice is about uncovering the truth. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him in the dead mother's arms. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Did you personally attend the trial? This article is little more than fiction. (renews at {{format_dollars}}{{start_price}}{{format_cents}}/month + tax). Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. Andrew Tate and his brother detained by Romanian Police. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Nailed? Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Andrew currently pays a reported 250-a-week for a state-subsidised 30-room mansion complete with 98 acres of land and a swimming pool - and is not keen to leave it after 20 years. She took out the woman who replaced her. ALISON BOSHOFF: As Broadchurch star Andrew Buchan and Leila Farzad become a real-life item while sexual electricity crackles between them in new BBC drama, did an earlier role of his give a . What will the next pandemic be? On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. You seem to have a fragile ego. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). she didnt need to . And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. He lived in 1910, at address, Connecticut. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. The comments below have been moderated in advance. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Rorrer's attorney, Bill Fritz of Lexington, refused to comment on the case. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. 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He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. His doctors have requested that he returns to Dubai for further testing. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none?